Bilsdale. 1000ft replacement mast approved

[Mark Carver]

Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

[Woody]

Post by Mark Carver
Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

But its going to take two years to build. Even Emley tower didn't take
that long!! This one is going to be a lattice mast - and the temp they
built at Emley whilst the tower aerials were change didn't even take six
months!

I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the 'temp'
mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

[Mark Carver]

Post by Woody

Post by Mark Carver
Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

But its going to take two years to build.

Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?

Post by Woody
Even Emley tower didn't take that long!! This one is going to be a
lattice mast - and the temp they built at Emley whilst the tower
aerials were change didn't even take six months!

Emley Tower took about 15 months

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=336&pageid=126

Post by Woody
I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the
'temp' mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

I don't think it's man enough, very different design  and support
arrangements if you compare the planning drawings for both.

Peterborough replacement was an 18 month project, and there they didn't
need to worry about any newts etc

[Another John]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Woody
But its going to take two years to build.

Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?

Shirley, that is standard time-planning in any construction job?

"They want it inside 18 months."

"Yeah well - it's going to take two years. Tell 'em it'll take 18
months, plus a bit for unforeseens -- say 19 months, tops."

John

[Woody]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Woody

Post by Mark Carver
Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

But its going to take two years to build.

Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?

Post by Woody
Even Emley tower didn't take that long!! This one is going to be a
lattice mast - and the temp they built at Emley whilst the tower
aerials were change didn't even take six months!

Emley Tower took about 15 months
http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=336&pageid=126

Post by Woody
I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the
'temp' mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

I don't think it's man enough, very different design  and support
arrangements if you compare the planning drawings for both.
Peterborough replacement was an 18 month project, and there they didn't
need to worry about any newts etc

Peterborough was a complete rebuild, tower, buildings, access, security
etc etc.

The 'two years' was where I saw the report (thank you BBC!) - perhaps
poor journalistic maths?

[Mark Carver]

Post by Woody

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Woody

Post by Mark Carver
Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

But its going to take two years to build.

Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?

Post by Woody
Even Emley tower didn't take that long!! This one is going to be a
lattice mast - and the temp they built at Emley whilst the tower
aerials were change didn't even take six months!

Emley Tower took about 15 months
http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=336&pageid=126

Post by Woody
I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the
'temp' mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

I don't think it's man enough, very different design  and support
arrangements if you compare the planning drawings for both.
Peterborough replacement was an 18 month project, and there they
didn't need to worry about any newts etc

Peterborough was a complete rebuild, tower, buildings, access,
security etc etc.
The 'two years' was where I saw the report (thank you BBC!) - perhaps
poor journalistic maths?

The BBC report I quoted, or another one ?

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

So have they given up on the tubular guyed masts now? I mean, surely with
modern materials they could be built more robustly.
Brian
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Post by Mark Carver

Post by Woody

Post by Mark Carver
Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

But its going to take two years to build.

Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?

Post by Woody
Even Emley tower didn't take that long!! This one is going to be a
lattice mast - and the temp they built at Emley whilst the tower aerials
were change didn't even take six months!

Emley Tower took about 15 months
http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=336&pageid=126

Post by Woody
I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the 'temp'
mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

I don't think it's man enough, very different design and support
arrangements if you compare the planning drawings for both.
Peterborough replacement was an 18 month project, and there they didn't
need to worry about any newts etc

[Mark Carver]

Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
So have they given up on the tubular guyed masts now? I mean, surely with
modern materials they could be built more robustly.

I think they are considered inherently too unstable today. About half a
dozen in Europe have collapsed or been fatally damaged over the last few
decades,

After the Hoogersmilde fire and collapse in The Netherlands about 10
years ago, apparently the Dutch have banned to use of any 'active'
equipment at height in the remaining tubular masts.

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

There always people wanting to have an aerial site for their services
though, I'd imagine it probably already pre booked.
Brian
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Post by Woody

Post by Mark Carver
Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

But its going to take two years to build. Even Emley tower didn't take
that long!! This one is going to be a lattice mast - and the temp they
built at Emley whilst the tower aerials were change didn't even take six
months!
I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the 'temp'
mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

[Jeff Layman]

Post by Mark Carver
Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
protected spot in the entire country"?

[charles]

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Mark Carver
Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
protected spot in the entire country"?

Reminds me of the 1970s' public meeting into a tv relay for one of the
Yorkshire Dales. Elderly resident "Bugger the Moor, let's have the telly!"

[MB]

Post by Jeff Layman
Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
protected spot in the entire country"?

Usual in accuracy of hacks - did they mean "entire county"?

[John Hall]

Post by MB

Post by Jeff Layman
Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
protected spot in the entire country"?

Usual in accuracy of hacks - did they mean "entire county"?

It's given as a direct quote from "North York Moors National Park
planning director Chris France", so one would hope it's what he actually
said.

[Jeff Layman]

Post by John Hall

Post by MB

Post by Jeff Layman
Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
protected spot in the entire country"?

Usual in accuracy of hacks - did they mean "entire county"?

It's given as a direct quote from "North York Moors National Park
planning director Chris France", so one would hope it's what he actually
said.

But why? What's so special about Bilsdale?

[MB]

Post by Jeff Layman
But why? What's so special about Bilsdale?

I suspect it is not referring to specifically Bilsdale, more likely the
whole North Yorkshire Moors.

[John Hall]

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by John Hall

Post by MB

Post by Jeff Layman
Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
protected spot in the entire country"?

Usual in accuracy of hacks - did they mean "entire county"?

It's given as a direct quote from "North York Moors National Park
planning director Chris France", so one would hope it's what he actually
said.

But why? What's so special about Bilsdale?

Given his job, perhaps he's biassed.

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

So I do hope designers were watching the weather over the last few days.
If they are just replacing it how come they need planning permission?

Brian

[Indy Jess John]

Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
If they are just replacing it how come they need planning permission?

Like for like replacements don't need planning permission, but anything
that isn't an exact replica does.

Jim

[MB]

Post by Indy Jess John
Like for like replacements don't need planning permission, but anything
that isn't an exact replica does.

I would think it is easier if an identical replacement but changes in
construction etc that is not likely to be the case. They might also
need permission for some temporary changes during construction even if
only a car park for construction vehicles.

[Ulrich Onken]

Post by Mark Carver
Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

Radio services are/were going to be moved to the new Bilsdale tower next
Tuesday 16th, with local services (BBC Tees) on 95.0 MHz. The temporary
transmitters at Eston Nab (95.0 MHz) and Darlington (104.0 MHz) will be
closed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/bilsdale-radio-retune

These changes appear to be delayed, maybe due to bad weather: "***This
work has been postponed until further notice***"

Regards,
Uli

[Mark Carver]

Post by Ulrich Onken

Post by Mark Carver
Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

Radio services are/were going to be moved to the new Bilsdale tower next
Tuesday 16th, with local services (BBC Tees) on 95.0 MHz. The temporary
transmitters at Eston Nab (95.0 MHz) and Darlington (104.0 MHz) will be
closed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/bilsdale-radio-retune

The antennas and feeders will already be in place if the switch on was
to be this Tuesday. Therefore I doubt the hold up is weather related

[Ulrich Onken]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Ulrich Onken
https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/bilsdale-radio-retune

The antennas and feeders will already be in place if the switch on was
to be this Tuesday. Therefore I doubt the hold up is weather related

For whatever reason, the delay is just one week, and the same link as
above indicates that the switch is going to happen tomorrow.

Since I am updating the database at fmlist.org: Does anyone know which
of the two DTV panels planned at 300 m and 275 m are used for the PSB
and COM multiplexes? I am just guessing that the PSB services (100 kW)
come from the lower panels and COM (50 kW) from the upper ones. There
are pictures of the two DTV antenna sections at
https://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=744&pageid=4366#

Regards,
Uli