BBC R4 RDS time signal still on BST?

[e***@cimmerii.demon.co.uk]

Whilst driving to work this morning (Mon 30 Oct), I noticed that my car
radio clock - which is set automatically on every journey from the RDS
time signal (CT) - was still showing British Summer Time (ie. showing
10:15am when it was 9:15am).

Anyone else noticed this?

I was tuned into BBC Radio 4 at the time. My transmitters are usually
Ridge Hill, Sutton Coldfield or Churchdown. My car radio is a Goodmans
GCE7350.

--
Andrew Oakley - www.aoakley.com

[charles]

Post by e***@cimmerii.demon.co.uk
Whilst driving to work this morning (Mon 30 Oct), I noticed that my car
radio clock - which is set automatically on every journey from the RDS
time signal (CT) - was still showing British Summer Time (ie. showing
10:15am when it was 9:15am).
Anyone else noticed this?
I was tuned into BBC Radio 4 at the time. My transmitters are usually
Ridge Hill, Sutton Coldfield or Churchdown. My car radio is a Goodmans
GCE7350.

just checked on my home DAB reciever fed from Guidford. Time is correct,
which is more than can be said for the computer from which you've sent your
original message.

[e***@cimmerii.demon.co.uk]

Post by charles

Post by e***@cimmerii.demon.co.uk
Whilst driving to work this morning (Mon 30 Oct), I noticed that my car
radio clock - which is set automatically on every journey from the RDS
time signal (CT) - was still showing British Summer Time (ie. showing
10:15am when it was 9:15am).

just checked on my home DAB reciever fed from Guidford. Time is correct,

Thanks for checking. I am referring to RDS on Radio 4 FM, not DAB.

[NOSPAM]

Post by e***@cimmerii.demon.co.uk
Whilst driving to work this morning (Mon 30 Oct), I noticed that my car
radio clock - which is set automatically on every journey from the RDS
time signal (CT) - was still showing British Summer Time (ie. showing
10:15am when it was 9:15am).
Anyone else noticed this?
I was tuned into BBC Radio 4 at the time. My transmitters are usually
Ridge Hill, Sutton Coldfield or Churchdown. My car radio is a Goodmans
GCE7350.
--
Andrew Oakley - www.aoakley.com

I switched my RDS portable radio on a short time after 02:00 BST and
it's clock updated to GMT on the next whole minute. My video did not
update even though CEEFAX was correct so I just took trhe power off it
for a time.


M

[Martyn]

Post by NOSPAM
I switched my RDS portable radio on a short time after 02:00 BST and
it's clock updated to GMT on the next whole minute. My video did not
update even though CEEFAX was correct so I just took trhe power off it
for a time.
M

Many videos only update their clock at 0900 unless otherwise forced, so that
could well be the reason.

rgds Martyn

[Dickie mint]

Post by Martyn

Post by NOSPAM
I switched my RDS portable radio on a short time after 02:00 BST and
it's clock updated to GMT on the next whole minute. My video did not
update even though CEEFAX was correct so I just took trhe power off it
for a time.
M

Many videos only update their clock at 0900 unless otherwise forced, so that
could well be the reason.
rgds Martyn

Hi Martyn, how's things!!

My RDS car radio is still on BST, and Ford have the cheek to say in the
handbook that I can't correct it as the broadcasters clocks are so much
more accurate!

Is RDS regional like CEEFAX? Is there a PC in Brum that needs a kick?
I don't remember one for RDS but I never had time to take much notice of
things radio!!! :-)

[Phil]

Post by Dickie mint
My RDS car radio is still on BST, and Ford have the cheek to say in
the handbook that I can't correct it as the broadcasters clocks are so
much more accurate!

Mine switched over to GMT (Vectra/R2 Sutton Coldfield) on Sunday and has been
perfect ever since.

In response to these threads I did try R4, that was correct too.

Post by Dickie mint
Is RDS regional like CEEFAX? Is there a PC in Brum that needs a kick?
I don't remember one for RDS but I never had time to take much notice
of things radio!!! :-)

Are you getting the RDS time flag on your display?

I just wish it worked when I am in Europe, but thats another problem....

Phil

[Dickie mint]

Post by Phil
Are you getting the RDS time flag on your display?
Phil

It's a thicko Sony!
But I had an idea, from reading this thread and a similar one on Digital
spy. Thinking sideways I changed to a MW station for a few minutes and
changed the time manually on the radio. (It allowed this on FM, but put
it back an hour fast after a few seconds!)

Changed back to FM and magic, it's stayed on GMT.

Don't know if it'll revert in an hour or so thought :-)

[Mark Carver]

Post by Dickie mint
It's a thicko Sony!
But I had an idea, from reading this thread and a similar one on Digital
spy. Thinking sideways I changed to a MW station for a few minutes and
changed the time manually on the radio. (It allowed this on FM, but put
it back an hour fast after a few seconds!)
Changed back to FM and magic, it's stayed on GMT.
Don't know if it'll revert in an hour or so thought :-)

My wife's car has a Sony (retro fitted by me). I went to reset the
car's own dashboard clock on Sunday morning, and at the same time
fiddled with the Sony car radio. After a minute or so tuned to R2 the
radio's clock jumped back to GMT.

Remember however the CT data is only transmitted once a minute, on the
minute, so worst case you might need to wait 59 seconds for the radio
to appear to respond ?

[Barney Wol]

At the risk of being branded a pedant, might I remind everyone that we
haven't used G.M.T. since 1972 - the time we use in winter is U.T.C.
("Co-ordinated Universal Time"). The difference? It is an atomic
time-standard, and has leap-seconds, whereas G.M.T. was derived from
the mean rotation of the Earth.

[charles]

Post by Barney Wol
At the risk of being branded a pedant, might I remind everyone that we
haven't used G.M.T. since 1972 - the time we use in winter is U.T.C.
("Co-ordinated Universal Time"). The difference? It is an atomic
time-standard, and has leap-seconds, whereas G.M.T. was derived from
the mean rotation of the Earth.

Do tell the BBC World Service.

[Paul Martin]

Post by Barney Wol
At the risk of being branded a pedant, might I remind everyone that we
haven't used G.M.T. since 1972 - the time we use in winter is U.T.C.
("Co-ordinated Universal Time"). The difference? It is an atomic
time-standard, and has leap-seconds, whereas G.M.T. was derived from
the mean rotation of the Earth.

GMT is still the name of the legal time of the UK. That it is currently
defined to be identical to UTC is neither here nor there legally.

I suppose the closest to the original GMT would be either UT0 or UT1.

I hear that the USA has proposed to stop using leap seconds. I suppose
that'll put the guy turning the crank handle in the International Earth
Rotation Service out of a job...

[m***@privacy.net]

On 5 Nov,

Post by Paul Martin
I hear that the USA has proposed to stop using leap seconds. I suppose
that'll put the guy turning the crank handle in the International Earth
Rotation Service out of a job...

That's probably because they forgot about leap seconds when the GPS system
was constructed. They're just trying (as usual) to bend internationally
agreed standards for their benefit.

[Martyn]

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Post by Dickie mint
But I had an idea, from reading this thread and a similar one on Digital
spy. Thinking sideways I changed to a MW station for a few minutes and
changed the time manually on the radio. (It allowed this on FM, but put
it back an hour fast after a few seconds!)
Changed back to FM and magic, it's stayed on GMT.
Don't know if it'll revert in an hour or so thought :-)

As far as we're aware, everything (for once) has corrrectly updated at our
end. There is an issue with some DAB sets not updating even though the
transmited clock is correct, but if this happens, depowering completely (no
mains or batteries) for 3 minutes should get it correct.

regards, Martyn

[harrogate3]

Post by e***@cimmerii.demon.co.uk
Whilst driving to work this morning (Mon 30 Oct), I noticed that my car
radio clock - which is set automatically on every journey from the RDS
time signal (CT) - was still showing British Summer Time (ie.

showing

Post by e***@cimmerii.demon.co.uk
10:15am when it was 9:15am).
Anyone else noticed this?
I was tuned into BBC Radio 4 at the time. My transmitters are

usually

Post by e***@cimmerii.demon.co.uk
Ridge Hill, Sutton Coldfield or Churchdown. My car radio is a

Goodmans

Post by e***@cimmerii.demon.co.uk
GCE7350.
--
Andrew Oakley - www.aoakley.com

Up here in the sunny north, BBC is correct but Classic, as late as
18:00, was still on BST.

I've noticed something as well with my Astra car radio: it only
updates the clock time immediately after the ignition is switched on.
When I saw the time was wrong yesterday I corrected it manually, but
even though the clock symbol came on the time didn't change. The
change for the minute however was bang on - and I know from travelling
in Europe (where time data is uncommon) that the clock looses time
extremely quickly, of the order of two minutes in 24 hrs. However
switch the ignition on and the time corrects at the next minute, even
if to the wrong time if Classic was the switch-on station!


--
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com

[Mark Fraser (News)]

Post by e***@cimmerii.demon.co.uk
Whilst driving to work this morning (Mon 30 Oct), I noticed that my car
radio clock - which is set automatically on every journey from the RDS
time signal (CT) - was still showing British Summer Time (ie. showing
10:15am when it was 9:15am).
Anyone else noticed this?
I was tuned into BBC Radio 4 at the time. My transmitters are usually
Ridge Hill, Sutton Coldfield or Churchdown. My car radio is a Goodmans
GCE7350.

My car radio reset its clock to GMT whilst tuned to (but not listening to)
Radio 2 on Sunday morning. This is from Wenvoe.