PSOT: BBC - is it me or..........

[Woody]

Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
is promoting itself?

We have all aware I am sure - and indeed I think I have seen comment
before about it on here - that the BBC is pushing more and more internal
adverts for its programmes in between others, for instance between a
weather forecast and a new bulletin both on radio and TV? Now I notice a
subtle change.

Such adverts often were for iPlayer or BBC Sounds, and sometimes for the
station name and the online, i.e. "...on BBC1 and iPlayer." Now suddenly
but notably it has becomes ".... on iPlayer and BBC1" and similarly on
the radio.

It cannot be because of people watching on line overseas as many home
grown programmes are not available outside the UK due to licencing, so
is this the BBC getting us ready for the (rapidly approaching?) point
where they announce that over-air broadcasting will cease and all TV
will be delivered by broadband? Sky have already indicated their similar
target so is this the BBC getting on the same bandwagon or .....what?

[Mark Carver]

Post by Woody
Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the
BBC is promoting itself?
We have all aware I am sure - and indeed I think I have seen comment
before about it on here - that the BBC is pushing more and more
internal adverts for its programmes in between others, for instance
between a weather forecast and a new bulletin both on radio and TV?
Now I notice a subtle change.
Such adverts often were for iPlayer or BBC Sounds, and sometimes for
the station name and the online, i.e. "...on BBC1 and iPlayer." Now
suddenly but notably it has becomes ".... on iPlayer and BBC1" and
similarly on the radio.

The direction of travel for all broadcasters is on-line/non linear
delivery. It's hardly surprising all of them are gently pushing their
marketing that way.

Everything in our house that is 'radio' now comes via the internet. Over
50% of everything that is 'TV' takes the same route now.

[Brian Gaff]

I have also noticed that online channels like those bundled with Samsung tvs
are increasingly showing the same old bbc and it stuff that is on Freeview
with the added disadvantage they have no AD any more.
Sometimes you can find a film on there which is not one you normally see,
and although it has no AD it can be followed, but they to just regurgitate
them, like the various hunger games episodes or one called the Rig which is
about a sea monster being disturbed by a drilling rig prospecting, or
sundry end of the world type moves with a lot of people being killed in
apparently gruesome ways or long sex scenes to make up for a lack of plot.
However it is nice to see those old Myth Busters again as is the FBI files,
but once you have seen them all....
Brian
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Post by Mark Carver

Post by Woody
Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
is promoting itself?
We have all aware I am sure - and indeed I think I have seen comment
before about it on here - that the BBC is pushing more and more internal
adverts for its programmes in between others, for instance between a
weather forecast and a new bulletin both on radio and TV? Now I notice a
subtle change.
Such adverts often were for iPlayer or BBC Sounds, and sometimes for the
station name and the online, i.e. "...on BBC1 and iPlayer." Now suddenly
but notably it has becomes ".... on iPlayer and BBC1" and similarly on
the radio.

The direction of travel for all broadcasters is on-line/non linear
delivery. It's hardly surprising all of them are gently pushing their
marketing that way.
Everything in our house that is 'radio' now comes via the internet. Over
50% of everything that is 'TV' takes the same route now.

[Liz Tuddenham]

Post by Woody
Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
is promoting itself?

I'm gald you said 'sometimes subtle', most of the time on R4 it is
totally blatant. I get so frustrated by it that I switch off and then
miss a programme I wanted to hear.

[Brian Gaff]

Yes it is after all perfectly easy to record stuff locally and view it when
you want to, so on demand services do seem to be an extravagance in many
cases.
If I were a cynic of course I'd say that they can tell who you are where
you are and when you watch what with online, but not with off air Data is
king and so if programme funding is going to be driven by popular online
viewing figures, what we shall all end up with will be even more bland and
boring rot than we have now. Hard to imagine really, since last evening i
went through the whole of Freeview with nothing even worth watching, and
most of the rest what I call technical repeats, IE it aired on WE, but is
new to Quest, or was on BBC 2 but is now on really as new to really.

And do I really want to watch cloudy with a chance of meatballs AGAIN or
Titanic for the 43rd time, or whatever it is from wherever it was in the
first place.

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Post by Liz Tuddenham

Post by Woody
Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
is promoting itself?

I'm gald you said 'sometimes subtle', most of the time on R4 it is
totally blatant. I get so frustrated by it that I switch off and then
miss a programme I wanted to hear.
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[Roderick Stewart]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 11:53:52 -0000, "Brian Gaff"

Post by Brian Gaff
If I were a cynic of course I'd say that they can tell who you are where
you are and when you watch what with online, but not with off air

With internet viewing the mechanism to do this definitely exists.
Whether or not they are able to use it yet is unknown, but I think we
can take it as certain that they would like to, so it can only be a
matter of time.

They could not only see what we're watching, but if they wanted to
they could control access to it as well, so it could be seen as paving
the way for allowing us to pay for what we want to see, either by a
subscription or payments for individual programmes. As long as they do
this *instead* of the licence I'm all for it, as they'd soon find out
what their programmes are really worth and would be incentivised to
produce what the viewers want.

Rod.

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by Roderick Stewart
They could not only see what we're watching, but if they wanted to
they could control access to it as well, so it could be seen as paving
the way for allowing us to pay for what we want to see, either by a
subscription or payments for individual programmes. As long as they do
this *instead* of the licence I'm all for it, as they'd soon find out
what their programmes are really worth and would be incentivised to
produce what the viewers want.

My concern is that I will no longer be able to record programmes
at will, with indefinite retention to view, skip etc as the fancy
takes me. Being locked into a system with unavoidable adverts
doesn't appeal to me, which is probably why the broadcasters
would prefer it. :-(

Chris

[Roderick Stewart]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by Roderick Stewart
They could not only see what we're watching, but if they wanted to
they could control access to it as well, so it could be seen as paving
the way for allowing us to pay for what we want to see, either by a
subscription or payments for individual programmes. As long as they do
this *instead* of the licence I'm all for it, as they'd soon find out
what their programmes are really worth and would be incentivised to
produce what the viewers want.

My concern is that I will no longer be able to record programmes
at will, with indefinite retention to view, skip etc as the fancy
takes me. Being locked into a system with unavoidable adverts
doesn't appeal to me, which is probably why the broadcasters
would prefer it. :-(
Chris

If there's a demand for making local recordings, somebody will fulfil
it. I can still remember the record companies' attempts in the 1960s
and 70s to make recordings that couldn't be copied, but they failed.

Rod.

[Brian Gaff]

It has already been mentioned. But, and its a big but, what happens if the
Internet is compromised by some other nation or a natural disaster? How will
government etc, talk to the masses then.
I mean in my view it is foolhardy to go voip as everyone is doing, for the
same reason. If you use Satellites, then these can be disabled or jammed.
However if you connect a few main terrestrial radio and TV transmitters up
by good old fashioned copper, then I'd say it will be far more resilient, or
does anyone even care?



Still, I guess we could use bonfires and smoke signals.

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Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC is
promoting itself?
We have all aware I am sure - and indeed I think I have seen comment
before about it on here - that the BBC is pushing more and more internal
adverts for its programmes in between others, for instance between a
weather forecast and a new bulletin both on radio and TV? Now I notice a
subtle change.
Such adverts often were for iPlayer or BBC Sounds, and sometimes for the
station name and the online, i.e. "...on BBC1 and iPlayer." Now suddenly
but notably it has becomes ".... on iPlayer and BBC1" and similarly on the
radio.
It cannot be because of people watching on line overseas as many home
grown programmes are not available outside the UK due to licencing, so is
this the BBC getting us ready for the (rapidly approaching?) point where
they announce that over-air broadcasting will cease and all TV will be
delivered by broadband? Sky have already indicated their similar target so
is this the BBC getting on the same bandwagon or .....what?

[Mark Carver]

Post by Brian Gaff
It has already been mentioned. But, and its a big but, what happens if the
Internet is compromised by some other nation or a natural disaster? How will
government etc, talk to the masses then.

To tell us what exactly ?

[John Williamson]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
It has already been mentioned. But, and its a big but, what happens if the
Internet is compromised by some other nation or a natural disaster? How will
government etc, talk to the masses then.

To tell us what exactly ?

Hide under the stairs? That's what they were telling us last time the
situation worldwide was this tense.

[charles]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
It has already been mentioned. But, and its a big but, what happens if
the Internet is compromised by some other nation or a natural disaster?
How will government etc, talk to the masses then.

To tell us what exactly ?

get into a large brown paper bag and hop along to your local civil defence
warden

[MB]

Post by charles
get into a large brown paper bag and hop along to your local civil defence
warden

I have always wondered if Putin dropped a nasty on Central London, would
we only know that there was an 'incident' there and traffic was
requested to avoid the area?

[NY]

Post by MB

Post by charles
get into a large brown paper bag and hop along to your local civil defence
warden

I have always wondered if Putin dropped a nasty on Central London, would
we only know that there was an 'incident' there and traffic was
requested to avoid the area?

There is a tendency to down-play an incident in the early stages.

When the various terrorist bombs were detonated on the London
Underground (and the bus) on 7 July 2005, breakfast news programmes were
dismissing it as a "power glitch" for a worryingly long time.

Likewise, at the time of the terrorist attack at the Ariane Grande
concert in Manchester, a certain Corrie actress whose children were (I
think) at the concert tweeted that it was nothing serious (I think she
may have referred to a crowd-control issue).

Best to assume the worst ("it looks like a terrorist attack") and then
later downgrade it, than to start with benign reports and then have to
increase the severity as more details are reported - less
egg-on-your-face ;-)

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

Post by Woody
Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
is promoting itself?

I've notice it but it's no where near as intrusive as the commercial
channels. The self promoting on channels 20 and 66 are hundreds of
times more annoying.

Steve

[Alexander]

Post by Stephen Wolstenholme

Post by Woody
Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
is promoting itself?

I've notice it but it's no where near as intrusive as the commercial
channels. The self promoting on channels 20 and 66 are hundreds of
times more annoying.

Listening to the commercial 'Hits Radio' station I frequently hear
adverts being aired for BBC programmes 'available now on iPlayer'.

If I wanted to hear BBC drivel I'd listen to a BBC station.

Perhaps they'll start advertising it on ITV next...

[Mark Carver]

Post by Alexander

Post by Stephen Wolstenholme

Post by Woody
Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
is promoting itself?

I've notice it but it's no where near as intrusive as the commercial
channels. The self promoting on channels 20 and 66 are hundreds of
times more annoying.

Listening to the commercial 'Hits Radio' station I frequently hear
adverts being aired for BBC programmes 'available now on iPlayer'.

Yes, and the TV trailers as adverts at the cinema

[Alexander]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Alexander
Listening to the commercial 'Hits Radio' station I frequently hear
adverts being aired for BBC programmes 'available now on iPlayer'.

Yes, and the TV trailers as adverts at the cinema

Alas the new 'Culture Secretary' (or whatever the role is called now)
comes across as a BBC sycophant, so I presume she'll do nothing to
rein them in.
We can expect the forced subscription and obnoxious advertising to
continue indefinitely. As was always the plan most likely.

[Mike]

Post by Woody
Such adverts often were for iPlayer or BBC Sounds, and sometimes for the
station name and the online, i.e. "...on BBC1 and iPlayer." Now suddenly
but notably it has becomes ".... on iPlayer and BBC1" and similarly on
the radio.

BBC1? What's that? :)

This morning, local BBC radio pushing the "return of Waterloo Road"
which is "on iPlayer". Same with "His Dark Materials. Watch now. On
iPlayer".

BBC1/2 doesn't even rate a mention.

I think it *is* part of "nudge" advertising, like when it used to
be "On DAB, Online and on FM -- BBC [local radio]" -- yeah, FM,
the third rate option to the wonders of DAB and streaming. "Have
we mentioned DAB lately? DAB is so good. You should get DAB!"

They stopped pushing DAB at some point, maybe they realised there
wasn't enough glitter to roll *that* in ... so switched to "Get
your smart-thing to do stuff by saying 'play BBC local news'".

They hardly ever mention that local radio is available on Freeview
72X, and when they *do* it's like it's a shock to the presenters too!

"You're listening to us on your telly? How is this magic possible?"