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Wireless in Manchester in 1922
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MB
2023-03-03 13:54:55 UTC
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There is an article in the Manchester and Lancashire Family History
Society about the start of wireless in Manchester in 1922.

It quotes an article in Manchester Evening Chronicle on 17th May 1922.

Five programmes aree listed for May 12th 1922. One is on 450 metres,
next on 400 metres, then 425 metres, 425 metres and last 450 metres.

Why the changes in wavelength? Unless it is relying someone's log and
his wireless receiver (or the transmitter?) drifted around.
wrightsaerials@aol.com
2023-03-03 15:55:06 UTC
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Post by MB
There is an article in the Manchester and Lancashire Family History
Society about the start of wireless in Manchester in 1922.
It quotes an article in Manchester Evening Chronicle on 17th May 1922.
Five programmes aree listed for May 12th 1922. One is on 450 metres,
next on 400 metres, then 425 metres, 425 metres and last 450 metres.
Why the changes in wavelength? Unless it is relying someone's log and
his wireless receiver (or the transmitter?) drifted around.
Let's have a link then.
Bill
Brian Gaff
2023-03-04 09:26:25 UTC
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That is a little odd, unless it was testing for clear frequencies of course.
Incidentally when did Wireless become Radio.
I remember when I was young my Grandma had a wireless and the dial had cool
sounding stations on it like Hilversham and Athlone and of course light
programme and Home Service etc.
Not terribly accurate dials, but then there presumably had not been much
about when it was made. The chassis was live, there was a huge dropper
resistor in the back that eventually made the bakelite in the top go dome
shaped, and the loudspeaker was energised by DC and apparently doubled as a
choke in the power supply. The aerial was isolated by a capacitor and was
just a banana socket, though the set had an internal frame aerial, IE the
main RF coil was wound around just inside the case at the back.
OK it was crude, but it worked and also kept the room warm.

These came marked with different names, but this one said Bush on it. I
also saw some with shop names over the years like Ketts. I imaging it was
that eras version of badge engineering.
It was the same with Reel to reel tape machines. The same two valve pcb and
bsr deck was in most of them either with a magic eye or flashing neon level
indicator. All eventually needed the record play switch replacing as they
carbonised with the result that the machine would suddenly go into erase
mode as the carbonised bit conducted. Yes the same part of the circuit
doubles as a playback amp and an erase and bias oscillator.


Those were the days, and we worry about dodgy practice causing early
failures now, it was the same back then, save a few pence on a cheaper
switch wafer.
Brian
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Post by MB
There is an article in the Manchester and Lancashire Family History
Society about the start of wireless in Manchester in 1922.
It quotes an article in Manchester Evening Chronicle on 17th May 1922.
Five programmes aree listed for May 12th 1922. One is on 450 metres,
next on 400 metres, then 425 metres, 425 metres and last 450 metres.
Why the changes in wavelength? Unless it is relying someone's log and
his wireless receiver (or the transmitter?) drifted around.
Let's have a link then.
Bill
Liz Tuddenham
2023-03-04 10:27:06 UTC
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Brian Gaff <***@gmail.com> wrote:

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Post by Brian Gaff
I remember when I was young my Grandma had a wireless and the dial had cool
sounding stations on it like Hilversham and Athlone and of course light
programme and Home Service etc.
Not terribly accurate dials, but then there presumably had not been much
about when it was made.
By the1950s, the wavebands were horribly congested and after dark the
medium wave band became almost unusable except for a few local stations.
The sparsity of dial markings was because most users only listened to a
couple of stations, by then the thrill of hearing foreign broadcasts was
long gone.

[...]
Post by Brian Gaff
These came marked with different names, but this one said Bush on it. I
also saw some with shop names over the years like Ketts. I imaging it was
that eras version of badge engineering.
In general Bush didn't go in for much badge engineering but perhaps
local dealers put their names on Bush products (Bush was part of
Gaumont-British and had a factory at Shepherds Bush - hence the name.)
Post by Brian Gaff
It was the same with Reel to reel tape machines. The same two valve pcb and
bsr deck was in most of them ...
This was usually a BSR TD2 deck, a very clever piece of economical
engineering. The later TD10, a three-speed deck, was streets ahead of
the more expensive decks in reliability and performance. BSR had a
reputation for making 'cheap' products, but they were so well designed
that they could be made with low precision equiment and still work
amazingly well.

They never wore out because the designs were so tolerant of
manufacturing inaccuracies in the first place. In their auto-changers,
Garrard would use small precision-ground cams and accurate bearings for
the followers, BSR used a huge die-casting for the cam and a bent steel
stamping, pivoting loosely on a pillar, as the follower arm. When new,
the Garrard was beautifully precise in its operation - but after 5
years, when it was slightly worn it would need fine adjustment or be too
far out of tolerance to function. The BSR rattled when new and 20 years
later it would still rattle just the same - and it would still be
working.
Post by Brian Gaff
... All eventually needed the record play switch replacing as they
carbonised with the result that the machine would suddenly go into erase
mode as the carbonised bit conducted. Yes the same part of the circuit
doubles as a playback amp and an erase and bias oscillator.
The 'Lane' tape deck was a horror for that. The power resistors for
balancing the torques on the spool motors were hung directly off the
paxolin wafers of the Forward-Play-Rewind switch. With the sparks from
switching unsuppressed inductive loads and the heat from the resistors,
the wafers soon tracked over. The brakes were paxolin wedges and when
they became worn the 'servo' acttion turned into a solid jamming action
which stopped the trailing spool dead and 'bootlaced' the tape before
snapping it. (Brennell used the same system and had the same problem.)

Their later product, badged as 'Verdik" was a big improvement and was
even considered for use by the BBC and EMI.
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Max Demian
2023-03-04 11:43:35 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
That is a little odd, unless it was testing for clear frequencies of course.
Incidentally when did Wireless become Radio.
It's always been radio. I once read an article in an early DIY magazine
(before people called it that) called Amateur Mechanic, published just
after WW1. It described various methods of "wireless" communication,
including ones that involved burying electrodes in the ground (used to
communicate between the trenches in WW1 I believe) and also explained
how to make a *radio* receiver: a crystal set designed to receive Morse
signals from, e.g. ships on ultra long wave (spark transmitters I suppose).
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Liz Tuddenham
2023-03-04 10:27:07 UTC
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Post by MB
There is an article in the Manchester and Lancashire Family History
Society about the start of wireless in Manchester in 1922.
It quotes an article in Manchester Evening Chronicle on 17th May 1922.
Five programmes aree listed for May 12th 1922. One is on 450 metres,
next on 400 metres, then 425 metres, 425 metres and last 450 metres.
Why the changes in wavelength? Unless it is relying someone's log and
his wireless receiver (or the transmitter?) drifted around.
According to Robert Wood in "A World in Your Ear", the broadcasts in
Manchester began in 1922 in the Metropolitain-Vickers studios at
Trafford Park. They moved to Dickenson Street in 1923 but were limited
by the Post Office to three half-hour broadcasts per day.

He doesn't mention the wavelengths, but the transmitters were fairly
stable by then, especially as a drifting transmitter could have
interfered with shipping or caused a bit of international friction.
Most people were using crystal sets, so they just tuned for maximum
signal - there was usually only station they could hear.
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Graham.
2023-03-04 23:29:47 UTC
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There is an article in the Manchester and Lancashire Family History Society about the start of wireless in Manchester in 1922.It quotes an article in Manchester Evening Chronicle on 17th May 1922.Five programmes aree listed for May 12th 1922. One is on 450 metres, next on 400 metres, then 425 metres, 425 metres and last 450 metres.Why the changes in wavelength? Unless it is relying someone's log and his wireless receiver (or the transmitter?) drifted around.
2ZY from Trafford Park only about 3 miles from here (and there
decades before I was born).
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