Capital 194

[Scott]

I see 1548 kHz (194 metres) in London is to be switched off:
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/08/gold-to-lose-its-london-1548-frequency-ahead-of-50th-anniversary/
I am very surprised at this. I assumed this one would stay until the
end given there must be a vast potential audience in a densely packed
urban area, even if only in cars and vans without DAB. I suppose they
need to count the number of actual not potential listeners.

Could it be due to the ULEZ clearing out a lot of older vehicles?

Is the transmitter at Saffron Green going to close entirely? This
could determine the economics. Why don't they broadcast from Crystal
Palace or Anerley as the BBC do for Radio 4 720 kHz? I assume this
would be a far cheaper option.

[Brian Gaff]

I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.
I notice nearly all French transmitters have gone now as at night it is
mostly Spanish stuff you hear.
It does seem a waste though.
Brian
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Post by Scott
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/08/gold-to-lose-its-london-1548-frequency-ahead-of-50th-anniversary/
I am very surprised at this. I assumed this one would stay until the
end given there must be a vast potential audience in a densely packed
urban area, even if only in cars and vans without DAB. I suppose they
need to count the number of actual not potential listeners.
Could it be due to the ULEZ clearing out a lot of older vehicles?
Is the transmitter at Saffron Green going to close entirely? This
could determine the economics. Why don't they broadcast from Crystal
Palace or Anerley as the BBC do for Radio 4 720 kHz? I assume this
would be a far cheaper option.

[MB]

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it
was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone
to interference.

So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.

How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!

[John Williamson]

Post by MB

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
prone to interference.

So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!

DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
countries. Even France is making a move.

https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/

[Tweed]

Post by John Williamson

Post by MB

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
prone to interference.

So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!

DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
countries. Even France is making a move.
https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/

But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data
allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a
business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
technology.

[John Williamson]

Post by Tweed

Post by John Williamson

Post by MB

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
prone to interference.

So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!

DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
countries. Even France is making a move.
https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/

But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data
allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a
business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
technology.

DRM is an alternative to DAB, and as a country, we chose DAB a long time
ago. Unfortunately, the decoding software requirements in the receiver
are not the same.

[Scott]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:21:51 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by John Williamson

Post by MB

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
prone to interference.

So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!

DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
countries. Even France is making a move.
https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/

But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data
allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a
business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
technology.

I tried on the train to watch England play Australia using the
Internet and it was not a happy experience (from the technical
perspective that is).

[tony sayer]

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:21:51 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by John Williamson

Post by MB

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
prone to interference.

So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!

DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
countries. Even France is making a move.
https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/

But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data
allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a
business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
technology.

I tried on the train to watch England play Australia using the
Internet and it was not a happy experience (from the technical
perspective that is).

Thats cos they are prone to Tunnels and cuttings;!...

[Scott]

Post by tony sayer

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:21:51 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by John Williamson

Post by MB

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
prone to interference.

So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!

DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
countries. Even France is making a move.
https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/

But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data
allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a
business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
technology.

I tried on the train to watch England play Australia using the
Internet and it was not a happy experience (from the technical
perspective that is).

Thats cos they are prone to Tunnels and cuttings;!...

I was responding to the idea that 'Delivery via the Internet is
the future'. Surely the same issues will apply in cars? How can we
rely on the Internet?

[Tweed]

Post by Scott

Post by tony sayer

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:21:51 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by John Williamson

Post by MB

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
prone to interference.

So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!

DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
countries. Even France is making a move.
https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/

But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data
allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a
business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
technology.

I tried on the train to watch England play Australia using the
Internet and it was not a happy experience (from the technical
perspective that is).

Thats cos they are prone to Tunnels and cuttings;!...

I was responding to the idea that 'Delivery via the Internet is
the future'. Surely the same issues will apply in cars? How can we
rely on the Internet?

I’ve driven from the Midlands to the Scottish Borders and listened to
Internet radio provided by the cellular network the whole way. In contrast
Times Radio via DAB gives up north of Newcastle due to an inadequate
commercial transmitter rollout.

[MB]

Post by Tweed
I’ve driven from the Midlands to the Scottish Borders and listened to
Internet radio provided by the cellular network the whole way. In
contrast Times Radio via DAB gives up north of Newcastle due to an
inadequate commercial transmitter rollout.

I have driven from Tarbet (Loch Lomond) via Ayrshire and mid Wales to
Falmouth and listened to DAB all they way with completely seamless
continuous reception.

[Tweed]

Post by MB

Post by Tweed
I’ve driven from the Midlands to the Scottish Borders and listened to
Internet radio provided by the cellular network the whole way. In
contrast Times Radio via DAB gives up north of Newcastle due to an
inadequate commercial transmitter rollout.

I have driven from Tarbet (Loch Lomond) via Ayrshire and mid Wales to
Falmouth and listened to DAB all they way with completely seamless
continuous reception.

Was that on a BBC MUX? Their rollout of transmitters is much denser/better
than the commercial lot.

[MB]

Post by Tweed
Was that on a BBC MUX? Their rollout of transmitters is much
denser/better than the commercial lot.

Of course, I never listen to commercial radio.

[s***@outlook.com]

Post by MB

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it
was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone
to interference.

So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!

I had to look DRM up. I recognised the first picture because I have
one.

[Mark Carver]

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.

It's called DAB

What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

[Tweed]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.

[Scott]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.

Could 198 kHz support DRM?

[Mark Carver]

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.

Could 198 kHz support DRM?

Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?

[Scott]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.

Could 198 kHz support DRM?

Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?

To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)

I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
the signal is used for teleswitching.

[Tweed]

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.

Could 198 kHz support DRM?

Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?

To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
the signal is used for teleswitching.

The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

[Scott]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.

Could 198 kHz support DRM?

Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?

To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
the signal is used for teleswitching.

The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

[Tweed]

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.

Could 198 kHz support DRM?

Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?

To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
the signal is used for teleswitching.

The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

[Scott]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.

Could 198 kHz support DRM?

Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?

To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
the signal is used for teleswitching.

The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

[Tweed]

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.

Could 198 kHz support DRM?

Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?

To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
the signal is used for teleswitching.

The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
battery.

[Scott]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.

Could 198 kHz support DRM?

Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?

To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
the signal is used for teleswitching.

The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
battery.

And all this will be completed by 31 March 2024.

Do you prefer Paddy Power or Ladbrokes?

[Tweed]

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.

Could 198 kHz support DRM?

Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?

To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
the signal is used for teleswitching.

The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
battery.

And all this will be completed by 31 March 2024.
Do you prefer Paddy Power or Ladbrokes?

No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got removing
radio teleswitches.

[J. P. Gilliver]

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

[]

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed
The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
battery.

But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of the
old "white meter".

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
And all this will be completed by 31 March 2024.
Do you prefer Paddy Power or Ladbrokes?

(I detest both of them, and most of the rest of that industry. I'd
really hoped it might be in the same position as the tobacco one was
some decades ago - i. e., in the last chance saloon - but it's obviously
far more powerful than the 'baccy one was, and/or society has changed
for the worse in such matters.)

Post by Tweed
No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got removing
radio teleswitches.

I'm sure they'd claim "commercially sensitive information". Maybe FOI?

[Tweed]

Post by J. P. Gilliver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

[]

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed
The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
battery.

But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of the
old "white meter".

There’s still lots of E7 installations with mechanical timers. I don’t
think they care about load adaption anymore. My E7 is simply measured by my
smart meter. It runs from a set invariable time.

[Mark Carver]

Post by Tweed

Post by J. P. Gilliver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

[]

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed
The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
battery.

But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of the
old "white meter".

There’s still lots of E7 installations with mechanical timers. I don’t
think they care about load adaption anymore. My E7 is simply measured by my
smart meter. It runs from a set invariable time.

Indeed. The load adaption was really because of storage heaters. No one 
has storage heaters any more (apart from my mother with her 30 kW total
load's worth) so it's a diminishing problem.

I'm still battling to get my my mother's wacky dual electrical phase
code-switch solution replaced by a Smart Meter based solution, but her
energy supplier for reasons I won't bore you with, is still unable to.

[Scott]

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 07:32:53 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by J. P. Gilliver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

[]

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed
The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
battery.

But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of the
old "white meter".

There’s still lots of E7 installations with mechanical timers. I don’t
think they care about load adaption anymore. My E7 is simply measured by my
smart meter. It runs from a set invariable time.

Indeed. The load adaption was really because of storage heaters. No one 
has storage heaters any more (apart from my mother with her 30 kW total
load's worth) so it's a diminishing problem.
I'm still battling to get my my mother's wacky dual electrical phase
code-switch solution replaced by a Smart Meter based solution, but her
energy supplier for reasons I won't bore you with, is still unable to.

I have never heard of electrical phase code switching. Could this
replace LW switching?

[Mark Carver]

Post by Scott
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 07:32:53 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Tweed

Post by J. P. Gilliver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

[]

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed
The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
battery.

But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of the
old "white meter".

There’s still lots of E7 installations with mechanical timers. I don’t
think they care about load adaption anymore. My E7 is simply measured by my
smart meter. It runs from a set invariable time.

Indeed. The load adaption was really because of storage heaters. No one
has storage heaters any more (apart from my mother with her 30 kW total
load's worth) so it's a diminishing problem.
I'm still battling to get my my mother's wacky dual electrical phase
code-switch solution replaced by a Smart Meter based solution, but her
energy supplier for reasons I won't bore you with, is still unable to.

I have never heard of electrical phase code switching. Could this
replace LW switching?

Ha.  The spell chucker must have jumped in, I meant it to say, ....dual
electrical phase tele-switch solution....

Anyway, glad someone is paying attention !

[J. P. Gilliver]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Tweed

Post by J. P. Gilliver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

[]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Tweed

Post by J. P. Gilliver

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
battery.

But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of the
old "white meter".

There’s still lots of E7 installations with mechanical timers. I don’t
think they care about load adaption anymore. My E7 is simply measured by my
smart meter. It runs from a set invariable time.

Indeed. The load adaption was really because of storage heaters. No
one  has storage heaters any more (apart from my mother with her 30 kW
total load's worth) so it's a diminishing problem.

By "load adaptation" I meant - I probably used the wrong phrase - the
idea that they could switch on or off load at times other than the ones
preset on a "white meter"; I thought that was the main purpose of the
radio control thing at all (other than having to have a clockwork backup
on the white meter to survive power cuts).
[]

[Scott]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 21:34:17 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"

Post by J. P. Gilliver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

[]

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott

Post by Tweed
The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
battery.

But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of the
old "white meter".

Post by Scott
And all this will be completed by 31 March 2024.
Do you prefer Paddy Power or Ladbrokes?

(I detest both of them, and most of the rest of that industry. I'd
really hoped it might be in the same position as the tobacco one was
some decades ago - i. e., in the last chance saloon - but it's obviously
far more powerful than the 'baccy one was, and/or society has changed
for the worse in such matters.)

No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got removing
radio teleswitches.

I'm sure they'd claim "commercially sensitive information". Maybe FOI?

FOI only applies to public sector organisations.

[MB]

Post by Scott
FOI only applies to public sector organisations.

Pity it cannot be extended to tabloids and news stations who use FOIA
request to make stories and cost the public sector organisation a lot of
money as they answer the requests.

Would be nice to see them also have to answer FOIA requests!

[Scott]

Post by MB

Post by Scott
FOI only applies to public sector organisations.

Pity it cannot be extended to tabloids and news stations who use FOIA
request to make stories and cost the public sector organisation a lot of
money as they answer the requests.
Would be nice to see them also have to answer FOIA requests!

I believe in Norway everybody's tax return is put on line to view.
This would certainly be an interesting application of FOI.

[charles]

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM ?

You need something for the cricket :) Some people are firmly
of the belief that cricket commentary can only be broadcast on
low frequencies.

Could 198 kHz support DRM?

Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the
electricity bill ?

To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost
because the signal is used for teleswitching.

The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and
backup battery.

And all this will be completed by 31 March 2024.
Do you prefer Paddy Power or Ladbrokes?

No idea - there‘s nothing out there stating how far they‘ve got removing
radio teleswitches.

Just think how much these sites are worth for housing without any
transmitters on them!

[Scott]

On Thu, 24 Aug 23 20:45:03 UTC, charles <***@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:
[snip]

Post by charles
Just think how much these sites are worth for housing without any
transmitters on them!

Does the BBC own these sites or are they owned by Arqiva?

[Mark Carver]

Post by Scott
[snip]

Post by charles
Just think how much these sites are worth for housing without any
transmitters on them!

Does the BBC own these sites or are they owned by Arqiva?

Arqiva

[Scott]

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 11:22:11 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Scott

Post by Scott
[snip]

Post by charles
Just think how much these sites are worth for housing without any
transmitters on them!

Does the BBC own these sites or are they owned by Arqiva?

Arqiva

I wonder if there is any profit-sharing provision if the land is sold.
If not, should there be an investigation into the sale process?

A site near here was sold by a university to be used as a hospital
(pre-NHS) with a reversionary clause that if it was no longer used as
a hospital, the seller could repurchase the land at the original
price.

[MB]

Post by Scott
I wonder if there is any profit-sharing provision if the land is sold.

I have a suspicion that the BBC do not get anything, either the
government grab it or more likely deduct from income raised from the TV
Licence etc.

[Scott]

Post by MB

Post by Scott
I wonder if there is any profit-sharing provision if the land is sold.

I have a suspicion that the BBC do not get anything, either the
government grab it or more likely deduct from income raised from the TV
Licence etc.

Can we exclude the possibility of Arqiva grabbing it and ultimately
the Aussies and States of Jersey?

[charles]

Post by MB

Post by Scott
I wonder if there is any profit-sharing provision if the land is sold.

I have a suspicion that the BBC do not get anything, either the
government grab it or more likely deduct from income raised from the TV
Licence etc.

The ex-BBC sites have been through more than one change of ownership since
the BBC sold them.

[Scott]

Post by charles

Post by MB

Post by Scott
I wonder if there is any profit-sharing provision if the land is sold.

I have a suspicion that the BBC do not get anything, either the
government grab it or more likely deduct from income raised from the TV
Licence etc.

The ex-BBC sites have been through more than one change of ownership since
the BBC sold them.

Do we know that the land is same ownership as the transmitters
(currently Arqiva) or could this be one of these situation where the
land is owned by one company and leased by another? There should be a
decent profit for someone if the land was purchased with a transmitter
on it and no access then sold for housing.

[MB]

Post by Scott
Do we know that the land is same ownership as the transmitters
(currently Arqiva) or could this be one of these situation where the
land is owned by one company and leased by another? There should be a
decent profit for someone if the land was purchased with a transmitter
on it and no access then sold for housing.

Some landowners sold the sites to the BBC for a peppercorn rent because
they thought they were doing it for the benefit of the local community.
Some were not happy when they then saw rich (often foreign) telecom
companies renting space on the tower and site for lots of money with
nothing coming to themselves.

I think some tried to obstructive when they got chance.

[Scott]

Post by MB

Post by Scott
Do we know that the land is same ownership as the transmitters
(currently Arqiva) or could this be one of these situation where the
land is owned by one company and leased by another? There should be a
decent profit for someone if the land was purchased with a transmitter
on it and no access then sold for housing.

Some landowners sold the sites to the BBC for a peppercorn rent because
they thought they were doing it for the benefit of the local community.
Some were not happy when they then saw rich (often foreign) telecom
companies renting space on the tower and site for lots of money with
nothing coming to themselves.

Do you mean sold or rented?

Post by MB
I think some tried to obstructive when they got chance.

In what way?

A friend of a friend of my father's had a telegraph pole in his
garden. Whenever there was a Labour government, he charged rental but
when there was a Conservative governement, he waived the rental :-)

[s***@outlook.com]

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:22:08 +0100, Scott

Post by Scott

Post by MB

Post by Scott
Do we know that the land is same ownership as the transmitters
(currently Arqiva) or could this be one of these situation where the
land is owned by one company and leased by another? There should be a
decent profit for someone if the land was purchased with a transmitter
on it and no access then sold for housing.

Some landowners sold the sites to the BBC for a peppercorn rent because
they thought they were doing it for the benefit of the local community.
Some were not happy when they then saw rich (often foreign) telecom
companies renting space on the tower and site for lots of money with
nothing coming to themselves.

Do you mean sold or rented?

Post by MB
I think some tried to obstructive when they got chance.

In what way?
A friend of a friend of my father's had a telegraph pole in his
garden. Whenever there was a Labour government, he charged rental but
when there was a Conservative governement, he waived the rental :-)

Where did he send the invoice?

[Scott]

Post by s***@outlook.com
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:22:08 +0100, Scott

Post by Scott

Post by MB

Post by Scott
Do we know that the land is same ownership as the transmitters
(currently Arqiva) or could this be one of these situation where the
land is owned by one company and leased by another? There should be a
decent profit for someone if the land was purchased with a transmitter
on it and no access then sold for housing.

Some landowners sold the sites to the BBC for a peppercorn rent because
they thought they were doing it for the benefit of the local community.
Some were not happy when they then saw rich (often foreign) telecom
companies renting space on the tower and site for lots of money with
nothing coming to themselves.

Do you mean sold or rented?

Post by MB
I think some tried to obstructive when they got chance.

In what way?
A friend of a friend of my father's had a telegraph pole in his
garden. Whenever there was a Labour government, he charged rental but
when there was a Conservative governement, he waived the rental :-)

Where did he send the invoice?

The Head Postmaster at the local GPO, as this was before the
separation of BT.

[MB]

Post by Tweed
No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got removing
radio teleswitches.

As it gets down to low numbers, it would probably be cheaper to just
leave everyone on cheap rate rather than pay a lot extra to keep Long
Wave going.

I don't know about Wales but I doubt whether radio teleswitching works
in the Highland and Island.

[Mark Carver]

Post by MB

Post by Tweed
No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got
removing radio teleswitches.

As it gets down to low numbers, it would probably be cheaper to just
leave everyone on cheap rate rather than pay a lot extra to keep Long
Wave going.
I don't know about Wales but I doubt whether radio teleswitching works
in the Highland and Island.

It probably works fine in Wales, Droitwich thumps in there. I do wonder
though, how many teleswitches actually still receive a signal, given the
explosion in background RFI over the last 20 years ?

[Scott]

Post by MB

No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got removing
radio teleswitches.

As it gets down to low numbers, it would probably be cheaper to just
leave everyone on cheap rate rather than pay a lot extra to keep Long
Wave going.
I don't know about Wales but I doubt whether radio teleswitching works
in the Highland and Island.

My understanding was that Burghead and Westerglen carry the coding
signal as well as Droitwich. I'm sure Mark will keep us right.

[Mark Carver]

Post by Scott

Post by MB

Post by Tweed
No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got removing
radio teleswitches.

As it gets down to low numbers, it would probably be cheaper to just
leave everyone on cheap rate rather than pay a lot extra to keep Long
Wave going.
I don't know about Wales but I doubt whether radio teleswitching works
in the Highland and Island.

My understanding was that Burghead and Westerglen carry the coding
signal as well as Droitwich. I'm sure Mark will keep us right.

They do, though in NW Scotland the granite ensures a poor signal

[Scott]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:07:46 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB

Actually, you are out of date. Gold is on DAB+ here as I believe it
is in London also: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#London

[Mark Carver]

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:07:46 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB

Actually, you are out of date. Gold is on DAB+ here as I believe it
is in London also: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#London

Yes, it converted from DAB to DAB+ a few years ago, (Classic FM are
doing the same on Jan 1)

[Scott]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:40 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:07:46 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB

Actually, you are out of date. Gold is on DAB+ here as I believe it
is in London also: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#London

Yes, it converted from DAB to DAB+ a few years ago, (Classic FM are
doing the same on Jan 1)

Do we know the bitrate yet?

[Mark Carver]

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:40 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:07:46 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB

Actually, you are out of date. Gold is on DAB+ here as I believe it
is in London also: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#London

Yes, it converted from DAB to DAB+ a few years ago, (Classic FM are
doing the same on Jan 1)

Do we know the bitrate yet?

No, but think it through, if you are Mr Global, and you are able to
replace a single DAB station at 128k, with three DAB+ stations at 40k,
that kind of answers your question.

[Scott]

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 07:37:19 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:40 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:07:46 +0100, Mark Carver

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.

We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB

Actually, you are out of date. Gold is on DAB+ here as I believe it
is in London also: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#London

Yes, it converted from DAB to DAB+ a few years ago, (Classic FM are
doing the same on Jan 1)

Do we know the bitrate yet?

No, but think it through, if you are Mr Global, and you are able to
replace a single DAB station at 128k, with three DAB+ stations at 40k,
that kind of answers your question.

Or 40 + 40 + 48 to support the claim that Classic FM offers improved
sound quality. I assume 48 kbps is possible?

[Mark Carver]

Post by Scott
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/08/gold-to-lose-its-london-1548-frequency-ahead-of-50th-anniversary/
I am very surprised at this. I assumed this one would stay until the
end given there must be a vast potential audience in a densely packed
urban area, even if only in cars and vans without DAB. I suppose they
need to count the number of actual not potential listeners.
Could it be due to the ULEZ clearing out a lot of older vehicles?
Is the transmitter at Saffron Green going to close entirely? This
could determine the economics. Why don't they broadcast from Crystal
Palace or Anerley as the BBC do for Radio 4 720 kHz? I assume this
would be a far cheaper option.

Saffron Green is a very expensive site to run and maintain. Global Radio
will have performed a cost benefit analysis, and decided it's better to
close the service. I wouldn't be surprised if LBC News on 1152 kHz goes
soon too. It won't have anything to do with ULEZ.

Because the propagation at the top end of the MF band is far worse than
the bottom end, a large amount of power would still be required if sited
at Crystal P (or wherever). Also Saffron Green is a highly directional
site, using four masts (imagine it being a 4 element vertical pol yagi
!) to protect the use of 1548 (and 1152) elsewhere in the UK, though
many of those services have already ceased. 1548 only remains in use at
Sheffield and Edinburgh. 1152 only remains in use in Newcastle and Glasgow.

[Brian Gaff]

But I thounught that these stations tended to be used by builders on crappy
portables, hardly likely to take your dab to the building site.
Having said that, I more and more hear radios playing Boom Radio than
Capital or I hear 5 live instead of the rolling news lbs..

I don't think the big concerns like Global should be able to simply buy up
local commercial stations and make them clones. I also notice a worrying
trend of music commercial stations offering ad free feeds via an app as long
as you give them four quid a month.
Brian
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Post by Mark Carver

Post by Scott
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/08/gold-to-lose-its-london-1548-frequency-ahead-of-50th-anniversary/
I am very surprised at this. I assumed this one would stay until the
end given there must be a vast potential audience in a densely packed
urban area, even if only in cars and vans without DAB. I suppose they
need to count the number of actual not potential listeners.
Could it be due to the ULEZ clearing out a lot of older vehicles?
Is the transmitter at Saffron Green going to close entirely? This
could determine the economics. Why don't they broadcast from Crystal
Palace or Anerley as the BBC do for Radio 4 720 kHz? I assume this
would be a far cheaper option.

Saffron Green is a very expensive site to run and maintain. Global Radio
will have performed a cost benefit analysis, and decided it's better to
close the service. I wouldn't be surprised if LBC News on 1152 kHz goes
soon too. It won't have anything to do with ULEZ.
Because the propagation at the top end of the MF band is far worse than
the bottom end, a large amount of power would still be required if sited
at Crystal P (or wherever). Also Saffron Green is a highly directional
site, using four masts (imagine it being a 4 element vertical pol yagi !)
to protect the use of 1548 (and 1152) elsewhere in the UK, though many of
those services have already ceased. 1548 only remains in use at Sheffield
and Edinburgh. 1152 only remains in use in Newcastle and Glasgow.

[Mark Carver]

Post by Brian Gaff
But I thounught that these stations tended to be used by builders on crappy
portables, hardly likely to take your dab to the building site.

You're about 15 years out of date. Every radio I've seen on a building
site for years now, is a DAB radio, and banging out (at 100% THD)
favourite tunes/sport/phone ins

[John Williamson]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
But I thounught that these stations tended to be used by builders on crappy
portables, hardly likely to take your dab to the building site.

You're about 15 years out of date. Every radio I've seen on a building
site for years now, is a DAB radio, and banging out (at 100% THD)
favourite tunes/sport/phone ins

The site radios I keep seeing for sale are DAB, FM, AM, and play off a
USB stick as well. They also use the same rechargeable batteries as the
rest of the toolkit.

[Scott]

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 13:48:04 +0100, John Williamson

Post by John Williamson

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
But I thounught that these stations tended to be used by builders on crappy
portables, hardly likely to take your dab to the building site.

You're about 15 years out of date. Every radio I've seen on a building
site for years now, is a DAB radio, and banging out (at 100% THD)
favourite tunes/sport/phone ins

The site radios I keep seeing for sale are DAB, FM, AM, and play off a
USB stick as well. They also use the same rechargeable batteries as the
rest of the toolkit.

Not off a mobile phone via Bluetooth then? Surprising.

[John Williamson]

Post by Scott
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 13:48:04 +0100, John Williamson

Post by John Williamson
The site radios I keep seeing for sale are DAB, FM, AM, and play off a
USB stick as well. They also use the same rechargeable batteries as the
rest of the toolkit.

Not off a mobile phone via Bluetooth then? Surprising.

Quite likely, I wasn't looking all that closely. The last guy that did
some work for me just had a cheap Bluetooth speaker and a phone, no
tuner. I think he was streaming off Spotify.

[Scott]

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 14:42:14 +0100, John Williamson

Post by John Williamson

Post by Scott
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 13:48:04 +0100, John Williamson

Post by John Williamson
The site radios I keep seeing for sale are DAB, FM, AM, and play off a
USB stick as well. They also use the same rechargeable batteries as the
rest of the toolkit.

Not off a mobile phone via Bluetooth then? Surprising.

Quite likely, I wasn't looking all that closely. The last guy that did
some work for me just had a cheap Bluetooth speaker and a phone, no
tuner. I think he was streaming off Spotify.

I have an expensive Bluetooth speaker and a phone :-)

[candycane]

JW> Quite likely, I wasn't looking all that closely. The last guy that did
JW> some work for me just had a cheap Bluetooth speaker and a phone, no
JW> tuner. I think he was streaming off Spotify.

So did it stream the ads too?

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Post by Mark Carver

Post by Brian Gaff
But I thounught that these stations tended to be used by builders on crappy
portables, hardly likely to take your dab to the building site.

You're about 15 years out of date. Every radio I've seen on a building
site for years now, is a DAB radio, and banging out (at 100% THD)
favourite tunes/sport/phone ins

Yes, that's true. They also sometimes shove a USB stick into the slot and play music of their choice.
Bill

[Scott]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 11:02:48 +0100, Scott
<***@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]

On a related theme, do many here remember this stuff?

You can turn on a friend
You can turn on the show
You can turn on the world
With Capital Radio

Capital Radio
In tune with London town
Capital Radio makes things go round and round and round
Open up that window
Open up that door
On Capital 194

Grab a little piece of heaven
With Roger Scott from three to seven
On Capital 194

Such a good way to make your day
Capital

On 194 metres on the medium waveband