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RADIO 2 RIP
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MB
2023-01-17 11:58:56 UTC
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Ken Bruce just announced he is retiring in March so that is the end of
Radio 2 for many!
Scott
2023-01-17 12:10:24 UTC
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Post by MB
Ken Bruce just announced he is retiring in March so that is the end of
Radio 2 for many!
I think many will feel that way. Radio 2 is losing its distinctive
character.

Do you think they could follow Gold and get rid of the presenters
entirely? Or maybe they should merge with Radio 5 Live?

Is there any indication whether he was 'encouraged' to retire?
Brian Gaff
2023-01-17 16:37:54 UTC
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Well they got rid of Keith Skews by encouraging him to retire on local
radio. He was very old though.
I personally feel that the music is the problem and it needs to have a
wider playlist, going back further and doing away with stuff since about
1990, and let 6 play that.

As for gold, well I can't listen to that, its far too predictable. Narrow
playlist. Remember that now people can very cheaply listen to music from
many decades you are quite likely to find modern teenagers, if that is still
a valid term, discovering the Beatles, or Kate Bush. Its no longer the new
acts that are being plugged by R1 etc. The other commercial channels also
need to look at the models they use for the formats they are plugging.
They sound like clones and really need to sort themselves out and work for
their market widening, note play to the same few people all the time or be
musak for delivery drivers.
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Post by MB
Ken Bruce just announced he is retiring in March so that is the end of
Radio 2 for many!
I think many will feel that way. Radio 2 is losing its distinctive
character.
Do you think they could follow Gold and get rid of the presenters
entirely? Or maybe they should merge with Radio 5 Live?
Is there any indication whether he was 'encouraged' to retire?
Mark Carver
2023-01-17 16:46:13 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
Well they got rid of Keith Skews by encouraging him to retire on local
radio. He was very old though.
No they didn't. Keith Skues left Radio 1 in 1974 to start up and be the
MD of Radio Hallam, he was also a daytime presenter on there.
He lasted about 15 years, before Hallam was snapped and merged into a
larger group (Today that's Bauer, who have just snapped up Ken Bruce)

At that point he went off to BBC Local Radio, and stayed there for over
30 years, way past his retirement age
MB
2023-01-17 19:29:47 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
Well they got rid of Keith Skews by encouraging him to retire on local
radio. He was very old though.
I personally feel that the music is the problem and it needs to have a
wider playlist, going back further and doing away with stuff since about
1990, and let 6 play that.
The problem with Radio 2 is the presenters, you could listen to Ken
Bruce all day (if he was on). Many of the other current ones just have
annoying voices, about the only recent one I find I can listen to is OJ
Borg. And of course there is a lot of box ticking with the network
taken over by very camp presenters - I read somewhere that another of
them is taking over the Early Breakfast Show.
John Williamson
2023-01-17 12:15:07 UTC
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Post by MB
Ken Bruce just announced he is retiring in March so that is the end of
Radio 2 for many!
Got to make room for the ones retiring from Radio 1. So it is, always
has been, and always will be.
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Scott
2023-01-17 12:29:59 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 12:15:07 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by MB
Ken Bruce just announced he is retiring in March so that is the end of
Radio 2 for many!
Got to make room for the ones retiring from Radio 1. So it is, always
has been, and always will be.
I don't think Ken Bruce was ever on Radio 1 actually.
John Williamson
2023-01-17 12:37:56 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 12:15:07 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by MB
Ken Bruce just announced he is retiring in March so that is the end of
Radio 2 for many!
Got to make room for the ones retiring from Radio 1. So it is, always
has been, and always will be.
I don't think Ken Bruce was ever on Radio 1 actually.
He snuck in via Radio Scotland, but you know what I mean...

They said the same about Radio 2 when Terry Wogan left.
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Scott
2023-01-17 12:45:51 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 12:37:56 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Scott
On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 12:15:07 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by MB
Ken Bruce just announced he is retiring in March so that is the end of
Radio 2 for many!
Got to make room for the ones retiring from Radio 1. So it is, always
has been, and always will be.
I don't think Ken Bruce was ever on Radio 1 actually.
He snuck in via Radio Scotland, but you know what I mean...
They said the same about Radio 2 when Terry Wogan left.
Of course they did. And Johnny Walker. And John Dunn before him. And
Steve Wright. Some people are unsettled by change. I am probably one
of them :-)

At least Alan Keith stayed on till he was 94.
MB
2023-01-17 13:01:35 UTC
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Seems to be confirmed that he is following the money and going to a
commercial station with limited coverage.
Scott
2023-01-17 13:06:12 UTC
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Post by MB
Seems to be confirmed that he is following the money and going to a
commercial station with limited coverage.
Limited coverage that is increasing all the time:
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/01/12/bauer-to-rebrand-seven-heritage-scottish-stations-to-greatest-hits-radio/
MB
2023-01-17 13:26:19 UTC
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Post by Scott
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/01/12/bauer-to-rebrand-seven-heritage-scottish-stations-to-greatest-hits-radio/
Still very limited when compared with the BBC even BBC DAB.
Scott
2023-01-17 14:14:19 UTC
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Post by MB
Post by Scott
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/01/12/bauer-to-rebrand-seven-heritage-scottish-stations-to-greatest-hits-radio/
Still very limited when compared with the BBC even BBC DAB.
I would't say 'very limited'. It's quite a long list especially
taking account of populatoin distribution:

96.0 Bridport, Dorset Wessex FM
96.1 Rotherham, South Yorkshire Rother FM
96.2 Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire Mix 96
96.2 Fakenham, Norfolk North Norfolk Radio
96.2 North Norfolk District, Norfolk North Norfolk Radio
96.2 Scarborough & Filey, North Yorkshire Yorkshire Coast Radio
96.2 Oldham & Manchester Revolution 96.2
96.3 Leeds, West Yorkshire Radio Aire
96.4 Grimsby & Cleethorpes, Lincolnshire Compass FM
96.4 Guildford, Surrey & Farnborough, Hampshire Eagle Radio
96.5 Blackpool, Fylde & Wyre, Lancashire Radio Wave
96.6 Chichester, West Sussex Spirit FM
96.6 Blandford Forum, Dorset The Breeze
96.7 Kings Lynn, Norfolk & Wisbech, Cambridgeshire KLFM
96.7 Ashbourne, Derbyshire Imagine Radio
97.1 Hoylandswaine & Penistone, South Yorkshire Dearne FM
97.1 Haslemere, Surrey & Bordon, Hampshire The Breeze
97.2 Harrogate, Knaresborough, Boroughbridge & Ripon, North
Yorkshire, Wetherby, West Yorkshire Stray FM
97.2 Dorchester, Weymouth & Isle of Portland, Dorset Wessex FM
97.4 Stamford, Lincolnshire Rutland Radio
97.4 Shaftesbury, Dorset The Breeze
97.4 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk The Beach
97.4 Southwold & Halesworth, Suffolk The Beach
99.9 Norwich, Norfolk Radio Norwich
100.2 Clacton-on-Sea & Tendring District, Essex Dream 100
100.8 Porlock, Somerset The Breeze
101.6 Hindhead, Surrey & Grayshott, Hampshire The Breeze
101.6 Medstead & Four Marks, Hampshire The Breeze
101.8 Petersfield, Hampshire The Breeze
101.8 Uttoxeter, Staffordshire Imagine Radio
101.8 Wirksworth, Derbyshire Imagine Radio
102.0 Barnsley, South Yorkshire Dearne FM
102.0 Peak District/Bakewell, Derbyshire Peak FM
102.0 Alton, Hampshire The Breeze
102.0 Salisbury, Wiltshire & West Hampshire Spire FM
102.0 Ipswich, Suffolk Ipswich 102/Town 102
102.3 Littlehampton, West Sussex Spirit FM
102.3 Thirsk, North Yorkshire Minster FM
102.4 Minehead, Somerset The Breeze
102.4 Wigan, Greater Manchester & St Helens, Merseyside Wish
FM
102.4 Bridlington, East Yorkshire Yorkshire Coast Radio
103.1 Whitby, North Yorkshire Yorkshire Coast Radio
103.2 Wells-next-the-Sea, Norfolk North Norfolk Radio
103.2 Cromer & Sheringham, Norfolk North Norfolk Radio
103.3 Hope Valley, Derbyshire Imagine Radio
103.3 Whaley Bridge, Derbyshire Imagine Radio
103.4 Lowestoft, Suffolk The Beach
103.5 Northallerton & Bedale, North Yorkshire Minster FM
104.7 York & North Yorkshire Minster FM
104.9 Stockport, South Manchester & North Cheshire Imagine Radio
105.2 Birmingham, West Midlands Absolute Radio
105.5 Torbay District, Devon (Torquay, Paignton & Brixham) The
Breeze
105.6 Newbury & Thatcham, Berkshire The Breeze
105.6 Yeovil, Somerset & Sherborne, Dorset The Breeze
105.8 London Absolute Radio
105.9 Liverpool, Merseyside, West Cheshire & Wirral Radio City 2
106.4 Andover, Hampshire The Breeze
106.4 Buxton, Derbyshire Imagine Radio
106.4 Glossop, Derbyshire Imagine Radio
106.5 Shrewsbury, Shropshire Signal 107
106.6 Midhurst, West Sussex Spirit FM
106.6 Chard & Crewkerne, Somerset The Breeze
106.6 Chapel-en-le-Frith, Derbyshire Imagine Radio
106.7 Plymouth, Devon & Saltash, Cornwall Radio Plymouth
106.8 Wakefield, West Yorkshire Ridings FM
107.0 Reading, Berkshire The Breeze
107.1 Pately Bridge, North Yorkshire Stray FM
107.1 Ilkley, North Yorkshire Stray FM
107.1 Skipton, North Yorkshire Stray FM
107.1 Oswestry, Shropshire Signal 107
107.1 Doncaster, South Yorkshire Trax FM
107.2 Warrington, Widnes & Runcorn, Cheshire Wire FM
107.2 Oakham, Rutland Rutland Radio
107.2 Bristol The Breeze
107.2 Kidderminster & Stourport-on-Severn, Worecestershire Signal
107
107.4 Telford, Shropshire Signal 107
107.4 Bridgwater, Somerset The Breeze
107.4 Hungerford, Berkshire The Breeze
107.4 Bolton & Bury, Greater Manchester Tower FM
107.4 Chesterfield & Dronfield, Derbyshire Peak FM
107.5 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire The Breeze
107.5 Warminster & Westbury, Wiltshire & Frome, Somerset The
Breeze
107.6 Basingstoke, Hampshire The Breeze
107.7 Wolverhampton, West Midlands Signal 107
107.7 Weston-super-Mare, Somerset The Breeze
107.7 Swindon, Wiltshire Sam FM
107.8 Craven District, North Yorkshire Stray FM
107.9 Bath, Somerset The Breeze
107.9 Worksop & Retford, Nottinghamshire Trax FM

AM Frequencies
Frequency Broadcast Area Previous Name
990 Doncaster, South Yorkshire Hallam 2
1152 Newcastle, Sunderland & County Durham Metro Radio 2
1170 Teesside & County Durham TFM 2
1170 Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire & South Cheshire Signal 2
1170 Swansea, Wales Swansea Sound
1278 Bradford, West Yorkshire Pulse 2
1305 Barnsley, South Yorkshire Hallam 2
1530 Huddersfield, West Yorkshire Pulse 2
1548 Sheffield, South Yorkshire Hallam 2

Local DAB Frequencies
DAB Block Multiplex
12D Berkshire & North Hampshire
11C Birmingham, West Midlands
11B Bournemouth, Dorset
11B Bristol
11C Cambridge, Cambridgeshire
11B Cornwall
12D Coventry, West Midlands
10B Derbyshire
10C Devon
12D Essex
10C Gloucestershire
12A Hereford & Worcester
10D Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire & Buckinghamshire
10D Humberside
11C Kent
12A Lancashire
12D Leeds
11B Leicestershire
10C Liverpool
12C London
12C Manchester
10B Norfolk
10C North Yorkshire
12D Northern Ireland
10C Northampton
12C Nottinghamshire
10B Oxfordshire
12D Peterborough
12D Plymouth
7D Portsmouth
11C Sheffield
12C Somerset
12C South East Wales
11C South Hampshire
10C Suffolk
10C Surrey & North Sussex
12D Stoke-on-Trent & Stafford
11C Swindon
11B Teesside
11C Tyne & Wear
10D West Wiltshire
11B Wolverhampton, Shrewsbury & Telford

Clyde 2 becomes – Greatest Hits Radio (Glasgow & the West).
Forth 2 becomes – Greatest Hits Radio (Edinburgh, the Lothians, Fife &
Falkirk)
MFR 2 becomes – Greatest Hits Radio (The North Of Scotland)
Northsound 2 becomes – Greatest Hits Radio (North East Scotland)
Tay 2 becomes – Greatest Hits Radio (Tayside & Fife)
West Sound AM becomes – Greatest Hits Radio (Ayrshire)
West Sound FM becomes – Greatest Hits Radio (Dumfries & Galloway)
Mark Carver
2023-01-17 14:20:13 UTC
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Post by MB
Post by Scott
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/01/12/bauer-to-rebrand-seven-heritage-scottish-stations-to-greatest-hits-radio/
Still very limited when compared with the BBC even BBC DAB.
I would't say 'very limited'.
MB lives in the middle of bloody nowhere, so he also doesn't consider
things like B&Q, or Tescos to have 'national' coverage either.

Don't worry about it, I'm sure Ken doesn't
Scott
2023-01-17 14:21:03 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 14:14:19 +0000, Scott
Post by Scott
Post by MB
Post by Scott
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/01/12/bauer-to-rebrand-seven-heritage-scottish-stations-to-greatest-hits-radio/
Still very limited when compared with the BBC even BBC DAB.
I would't say 'very limited'. It's quite a long list especially
Sorry - should read 'population' and have quoted source:
https://jack-bromby.com/greatest-hits-radio-frequencies/
Mark Carver
2023-01-17 14:29:16 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 14:14:19 +0000, Scott
Post by Scott
Post by MB
Post by Scott
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/01/12/bauer-to-rebrand-seven-heritage-scottish-stations-to-greatest-hits-radio/
Still very limited when compared with the BBC even BBC DAB.
I would't say 'very limited'. It's quite a long list especially
https://jack-bromby.com/greatest-hits-radio-frequencies/
Funnily enough

1170 Teesside
1170 Stoke-on-Trent
1278 Bradford, West Yorkshire
1530 Huddersfield, West Yorkshire

All shut down this lunchtime

and 1170 Swansea shut down last summer

(All are on FM and/or DAB in those areas)

(They've got to pay for Ken somehow)
MB
2023-01-17 19:24:11 UTC
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Post by Scott
I would't say 'very limited'. It's quite a long list especially
I can easily drive a hundred miles without any non-BBC DAB and I could
probably drive a couple of hundred miles without any.
Scott
2023-01-18 15:26:13 UTC
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Post by MB
Post by Scott
I would't say 'very limited'. It's quite a long list especially
I can easily drive a hundred miles without any non-BBC DAB and I could
probably drive a couple of hundred miles without any.
You are moving the goalposts now. First it was 'limited coverage' now
it's 'limited DAB coverage', which is a different proposition. The
list I posted also includes AM and FM. Have you looked at each of
these entries?
MB
2023-01-17 12:57:21 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
They said the same about Radio 2 when Terry Wogan left.
The decline did start about then.
Brian Gaff
2023-01-17 16:40:01 UTC
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There is nobody outstanding on Radio 1 or 1 xtra to get on R2.

You can broadcast from anywhere these days, so why not have somebody say, on
the south coast doing it from a spare local radio studio.
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Post by MB
Ken Bruce just announced he is retiring in March so that is the end of
Radio 2 for many!
Got to make room for the ones retiring from Radio 1. So it is, always has
been, and always will be.
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the dog from that film you saw
2023-01-17 17:08:34 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
There is nobody outstanding on Radio 1 or 1 xtra to get on R2.
You can broadcast from anywhere these days, so why not have somebody say, on
the south coast doing it from a spare local radio studio.
Brian
that would be boom radio - djs from their homes playing stuff from the
50s onwards.
Scott
2023-01-18 15:27:22 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 16:40:01 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
Post by Brian Gaff
There is nobody outstanding on Radio 1 or 1 xtra to get on R2.
You can broadcast from anywhere these days, so why not have somebody say, on
the south coast doing it from a spare local radio studio.
Because the policy is to migrate to Salford :-)
the dog from that film you saw
2023-01-17 17:07:20 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
Post by MB
Ken Bruce just announced he is retiring in March so that is the end of
Radio 2 for many!
Got to make room for the ones retiring from Radio 1. So it is, always
has been, and always will be.
it is a fair argument. if radio 2 is for a certain age range it's
probably true that the 40 year old of today has different music tastes
to those of a 40 year old 30 years ago or even 10.
radio 1 showed what happened when time stood still and the young djs of
the 70s were still presenting in the 90s.
Brian Gaff
2023-01-17 16:29:55 UTC
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Yes he is getting on. Where are all the normal sounding but witty people.
There are quite a few still on local radio, but its debatable whether the
bbc will want to test them and whether they would want to do a daily show in
London.

There are quite a few female presenters who could do that show, or
something like it, but I'd not like to suggest them here., most would never
have heard of them.
I just wish they could give Jeremy Whine a voice transplant, as he is quit
funny and witty, but its that whiney voice that jars.
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Post by MB
Ken Bruce just announced he is retiring in March so that is the end of
Radio 2 for many!
John Williamson
2023-01-17 18:11:47 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
Yes he is getting on. Where are all the normal sounding but witty people.
There are quite a few still on local radio, but its debatable whether the
bbc will want to test them and whether they would want to do a daily show in
London.
If they already work for the BBC in, say Birmingham, Manchester or
anywhere with a BBC local station, they can work locally, and the feed
switched as required. If pushed, I could even do a broadcast quality
feed from my boat, given a 4G base station or two within range.

The only reason presenters go into the studio now is to have personal
interaction with the rest of the staff. If you listen to some of the
shows on Radio Stoke, the producer is on air almost as much a the main
presenter, and they are obviously sitting across a desk from each other.
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Scott
2023-01-18 15:29:49 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 18:11:47 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Brian Gaff
Yes he is getting on. Where are all the normal sounding but witty people.
There are quite a few still on local radio, but its debatable whether the
bbc will want to test them and whether they would want to do a daily show in
London.
If they already work for the BBC in, say Birmingham, Manchester or
anywhere with a BBC local station, they can work locally, and the feed
switched as required. If pushed, I could even do a broadcast quality
feed from my boat, given a 4G base station or two within range.
The only reason presenters go into the studio now is to have personal
interaction with the rest of the staff. If you listen to some of the
shows on Radio Stoke, the producer is on air almost as much a the main
presenter, and they are obviously sitting across a desk from each other.
Did that apply to John Acres, who has now moved to Radio Devon? I
find him uninspiring - certainly no comparison with his predecessor
(the legendary Gordon Sparks).
John Williamson
2023-01-18 18:02:54 UTC
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Post by Scott
Did that apply to John Acres, who has now moved to Radio Devon? I
find him uninspiring - certainly no comparison with his predecessor
(the legendary Gordon Sparks).
He was the one I was thinking of. He went into a time share (3 days
each) with Lee Blakeman, but they were both still there when I moved to
the Black Country before Christmas. A lot of the banter from John and
Lee was complaining about sharing their flat.

It seems he finally got fed up with the weekly commute, as his family
moved down there a while ago.
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Scott
2023-01-19 16:33:49 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 18:11:47 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Brian Gaff
Yes he is getting on. Where are all the normal sounding but witty people.
There are quite a few still on local radio, but its debatable whether the
bbc will want to test them and whether they would want to do a daily show in
London.
If they already work for the BBC in, say Birmingham, Manchester or
anywhere with a BBC local station, they can work locally, and the feed
switched as required. If pushed, I could even do a broadcast quality
feed from my boat, given a 4G base station or two within range.
The only reason presenters go into the studio now is to have personal
interaction with the rest of the staff. If you listen to some of the
shows on Radio Stoke, the producer is on air almost as much a the main
presenter, and they are obviously sitting across a desk from each other.
Could they not still have been in different studios?

This reminds me of when my downstairs neighbour (sadly now deceased)
was in her mid 80s and was asked by the BBC to give an interview for
Radio Scotland about the Empire Exhibition in 1938. They wanted to
interview her live, but she said she would only do a recorded
interview in case it went badly. When she arrived at the Glasgow
studio, she was told the interviewer (Robbie Shepherd) was in Aberdeen
and nothing to do with the staff in Glasgow.

They handed my neighbour a set of headphones, put her in a small
studio and told her to sort it out for herself. When she was
interviewed, there was a delay in the headphones so she mistakenly
waited until the end of the delay then continued. She thought she
would come over to the nation as a 'doddery old fool' but they edited
it and it was perfect.
John Williamson
2023-01-19 16:45:39 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 18:11:47 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Brian Gaff
Yes he is getting on. Where are all the normal sounding but witty people.
There are quite a few still on local radio, but its debatable whether the
bbc will want to test them and whether they would want to do a daily show in
London.
If they already work for the BBC in, say Birmingham, Manchester or
anywhere with a BBC local station, they can work locally, and the feed
switched as required. If pushed, I could even do a broadcast quality
feed from my boat, given a 4G base station or two within range.
The only reason presenters go into the studio now is to have personal
interaction with the rest of the staff. If you listen to some of the
shows on Radio Stoke, the producer is on air almost as much a the main
presenter, and they are obviously sitting across a desk from each other.
Could they not still have been in different studios?
Possibly, but if so, they were working hard to make it feel as if they
were in the same room. Why go to the bother of using different rooms,
when you could just add a microphone?

There is a live video feed on the website, but I never bothered checking
it. It's an old link, but this shows how it was probably done.

Loading Image...
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John.
Scott
2023-01-19 17:51:30 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:45:39 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Scott
On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 18:11:47 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Brian Gaff
Yes he is getting on. Where are all the normal sounding but witty people.
There are quite a few still on local radio, but its debatable whether the
bbc will want to test them and whether they would want to do a daily show in
London.
If they already work for the BBC in, say Birmingham, Manchester or
anywhere with a BBC local station, they can work locally, and the feed
switched as required. If pushed, I could even do a broadcast quality
feed from my boat, given a 4G base station or two within range.
The only reason presenters go into the studio now is to have personal
interaction with the rest of the staff. If you listen to some of the
shows on Radio Stoke, the producer is on air almost as much a the main
presenter, and they are obviously sitting across a desk from each other.
Could they not still have been in different studios?
Possibly, but if so, they were working hard to make it feel as if they
were in the same room. Why go to the bother of using different rooms,
when you could just add a microphone?
I meant one could be in Devon and one in Stoke, but this was before I
knew about the video evidence.
Post by John Williamson
There is a live video feed on the website, but I never bothered checking
it. It's an old link, but this shows how it was probably done.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46896000/jpg/_46896441_studio1.jpg
John Williamson
2023-01-19 18:18:22 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:45:39 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Scott
Could they not still have been in different studios?
Possibly, but if so, they were working hard to make it feel as if they
were in the same room. Why go to the bother of using different rooms,
when you could just add a microphone?
I meant one could be in Devon and one in Stoke, but this was before I
knew about the video evidence.
They had been using the same style for a long time before he moved home,
and during the handover period to the new presenter, his eventual
replacement used the same style.

I might have a listen in the morning to see how things are going on there.
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Scott
2023-01-19 18:43:44 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 18:18:22 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Scott
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:45:39 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Scott
Could they not still have been in different studios?
Possibly, but if so, they were working hard to make it feel as if they
were in the same room. Why go to the bother of using different rooms,
when you could just add a microphone?
I meant one could be in Devon and one in Stoke, but this was before I
knew about the video evidence.
They had been using the same style for a long time before he moved home,
and during the handover period to the new presenter, his eventual
replacement used the same style.
I still don't see why this could not be achieved from two different
studios, unless there is some Ofcom rule about misleading listeners.
Post by John Williamson
I might have a listen in the morning to see how things are going on there.
To Radio Devon?
John Williamson
2023-01-19 19:07:52 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 18:18:22 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
They had been using the same style for a long time before he moved home,
and during the handover period to the new presenter, his eventual
replacement used the same style.
I still don't see why this could not be achieved from two different
studios, unless there is some Ofcom rule about misleading listeners.
Technically, I could present from the boat I live on using my existing
pair of 4G routers. Why they did it the way they did, I have no idea
unless there is a policy to keep all the warm bodies within reach of
each other.
Post by Scott
Post by John Williamson
I might have a listen in the morning to see how things are going on there.
To Radio Devon?
To Radio Stoke. Check whether they changed the show format after he
left. I can only get Radio Devon on line here, but Radio Stoke is on
Freeview.

Hmm... Interesting, BBC Radio Stoke and BBC West Midlands are playing
the same songs in sync with different presenters.
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Tciao for Now!

John.
Scott
2023-01-19 21:39:38 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:07:52 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Scott
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 18:18:22 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
They had been using the same style for a long time before he moved home,
and during the handover period to the new presenter, his eventual
replacement used the same style.
I still don't see why this could not be achieved from two different
studios, unless there is some Ofcom rule about misleading listeners.
Technically, I could present from the boat I live on using my existing
pair of 4G routers. Why they did it the way they did, I have no idea
unless there is a policy to keep all the warm bodies within reach of
each other.
Post by Scott
Post by John Williamson
I might have a listen in the morning to see how things are going on there.
To Radio Devon?
To Radio Stoke. Check whether they changed the show format after he
left. I can only get Radio Devon on line here, but Radio Stoke is on
Freeview.
Hmm... Interesting, BBC Radio Stoke and BBC West Midlands are playing
the same songs in sync with different presenters.
Voice-tracking?
John Williamson
2023-01-19 22:15:15 UTC
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Post by Scott
Post by John Williamson
Hmm... Interesting, BBC Radio Stoke and BBC West Midlands are playing
the same songs in sync with different presenters.
Voice-tracking?
They had what sounded like an opt out for a while, then got back in
sync. The announcers were talking over the music at different times, and
the opt out was completely different.

I'd not swear the music was frame identical, but certainly close enough
to sound in tempo when switching between the two on Freeview. I'd guess
a central playlist server and a local override.
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Tciao for Now!

John.
Scott
2023-01-19 22:20:27 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 22:15:15 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Scott
Post by John Williamson
Hmm... Interesting, BBC Radio Stoke and BBC West Midlands are playing
the same songs in sync with different presenters.
Voice-tracking?
They had what sounded like an opt out for a while, then got back in
sync. The announcers were talking over the music at different times, and
the opt out was completely different.
I'd not swear the music was frame identical, but certainly close enough
to sound in tempo when switching between the two on Freeview. I'd guess
a central playlist server and a local override.
Any possibility it was the same presenter, presenting two different
shows? That's what they do with Clyde 2 / Forth 2 etc. The presenter
can record specific links for the individual stations.
John Williamson
2023-01-19 22:23:49 UTC
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Post by Scott
Any possibility it was the same presenter, presenting two different
shows? That's what they do with Clyde 2 / Forth 2 etc. The presenter
can record specific links for the individual stations.
One male, one female. One also ran a phone-in competition in the opt out.
--
Tciao for Now!

John.
Scott
2023-01-19 22:40:56 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 22:23:49 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Scott
Any possibility it was the same presenter, presenting two different
shows? That's what they do with Clyde 2 / Forth 2 etc. The presenter
can record specific links for the individual stations.
One male, one female. One also ran a phone-in competition in the opt out.
Could the royalties be cheaper if you play one track to 10 stations
rather than 10 tracks to one station each?
John Williamson
2023-01-19 23:53:42 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 22:23:49 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Scott
Any possibility it was the same presenter, presenting two different
shows? That's what they do with Clyde 2 / Forth 2 etc. The presenter
can record specific links for the individual stations.
One male, one female. One also ran a phone-in competition in the opt out.
Could the royalties be cheaper if you play one track to 10 stations
rather than 10 tracks to one station each?
Possibly, but it makes the paperwork easier. Just copy and paste the
playlist.
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Tciao for Now!

John.
Scott
2023-01-20 09:09:57 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 23:53:42 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Scott
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 22:23:49 +0000, John Williamson
Post by John Williamson
Post by Scott
Any possibility it was the same presenter, presenting two different
shows? That's what they do with Clyde 2 / Forth 2 etc. The presenter
can record specific links for the individual stations.
One male, one female. One also ran a phone-in competition in the opt out.
Could the royalties be cheaper if you play one track to 10 stations
rather than 10 tracks to one station each?
Possibly, but it makes the paperwork easier. Just copy and paste the
playlist.
I know you mean 'paperwork' figuratively but surely the whole process
will be automated. The tracks are played using a playout system. I
assume this system will automatically feed the data to PRS or whoever
is responsible.
Mark Carver
2023-01-20 08:42:36 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
Hmm... Interesting, BBC Radio Stoke and BBC West Midlands are playing
the same songs in sync with different presenters.
All BBC local radio stations are using the same centrally compiled
playlist, so you will hear the same track on different stations at the
same time.

All the stations are 'virtualised', ViLOR and all that, but that's got
nothing per se to do with hearing the same track at the same time (yet !)

https://www.ibc.org/trends/bbc-completes-groundbreaking-vilor-local-radio-project/3865.article
John Williamson
2023-01-20 09:36:57 UTC
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Post by Mark Carver
Post by John Williamson
Hmm... Interesting, BBC Radio Stoke and BBC West Midlands are playing
the same songs in sync with different presenters.
All BBC local radio stations are using the same centrally compiled
playlist, so you will hear the same track on different stations at the
same time.
All the stations are 'virtualised', ViLOR and all that, but that's got
nothing per se to do with hearing the same track at the same time (yet !)
https://www.ibc.org/trends/bbc-completes-groundbreaking-vilor-local-radio-project/3865.article
That would explain it, then. I'd not heard of the project, and I'd not
noticed before as I don't make a habit of scanning the BBC local radio
stations.
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Tciao for Now!

John.
Scott
2023-01-20 09:59:38 UTC
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 08:42:36 +0000, Mark Carver
Post by Mark Carver
Post by John Williamson
Hmm... Interesting, BBC Radio Stoke and BBC West Midlands are playing
the same songs in sync with different presenters.
All BBC local radio stations are using the same centrally compiled
playlist, so you will hear the same track on different stations at the
same time.
All the stations are 'virtualised', ViLOR and all that, but that's got
nothing per se to do with hearing the same track at the same time (yet !)
https://www.ibc.org/trends/bbc-completes-groundbreaking-vilor-local-radio-project/3865.article
I suppose it means no-one will ever play the original verson of 'The
Sun Has Got His Hat On' again:
https://metro.co.uk/2014/05/11/bbc-forces-dj-to-quit-after-mistakenly-playing-song-containing-the-n-word-4723938/
I know of someone who works as an 'imager' for a commercial radio
group. What it that ???
Mike
2023-01-20 19:01:56 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
Hmm... Interesting, BBC Radio Stoke and BBC West Midlands are playing
the same songs in sync with different presenters.
I've noticed that between BBC Coventry/Warwickshire and
BBC WM -- two different shows, different presenters (100%
not a shared programme!) playing the same songs in the same
order, but not quite at the same time.
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MB
2023-01-17 19:21:50 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
I just wish they could give Jeremy Whine a voice transplant, as he is quit
funny and witty, but its that whiney voice that jars.
I can't why Vine is still on Radio 2, many hate him mainly because of
his Tweets attacking motorists. If there is any major event, BBC Radio
2 has to find a stand-in presenter because he goes off to do his show on
a commercial station.
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